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Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:35 pm

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That's the computer I'm looking at buying. Anybody have any suggested changs?

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:53 pm

I thought I was the only one around here that built computers :D

Anyways I would swap out the GTX 465 for a GTX 460 instead. The 465 is only slightly faster than the 460 but it costs way more.

Try the MSI cyclone GTX 460 OC edition its the one I use it hasn't let me down.

This is my build from a year ago:
Amd Athlon IIx4 630 oc'ed to 3.6
4 GB ddr2 corsiar gaming ram
Seagate barrucuda 500Gb hard drive
450 thermaltake psu
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and the rest isn't important

also what's your PSU? I didn't noticie it in the picture Nvidia cards are really wattage hungry.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:01 am

the 460 was 189, this 465 is 169 with a $30 rebate.

The MSI was 159, so this is better and I'm getting it cheaper. I looked at both of those already lol

and it draws 550w, and I forgot to put a PSU on there lol.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:05 am

I see now. Last I saw the 465 was 60$ more than the 460. 550W is enough but it could be cutting it close I would go with at least a 650W that way you wouldn't have to replace the PSU if you upgrade your cpu or get a faster more wattage hungry graphics card.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:07 am

I went for the 700, because its on sale. Updated the pic.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:11 am

You may also want to consider getting a third party heatsink if you plan on overclocking or if you want to err on the safe side. Intel stock heat sinks are terrible. I once had the plastic clips on one snap and break causing the heat sink to fall of while my pc was running.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:14 am

Never had a problem with them, and I don't plan on overclocking. I'm looking for a cheaper motherboard though, as I don't think I'll ever SLI this machine

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:18 am

Whats the price point you looking for in a motherboard?
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Re: Building a computer

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:27 am

looks like a pretty solid build. :D You should post a pic of your system once you've built it.

out curiosity how much is the whole system going to cost?
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:41 am

825 after shipping to my door. There is $70 in rebates on there, and I'm selling my current laptop for $450, so upgrading from an i5-430m, which is duel core @ 2.26, and a ati radeon 4630 HD, to that is gonna cost me $300.

Antec has a cheaper case that's just as good for about $60, I'm choosing to spend the extra cash for it looks cooler, and it comes with more fans pre-installed.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:55 am

Nice \m/ Is this your first build?
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:57 am

Yar. My buddy built a similar computer a couple months ago, (a bit weaker though :P), he's going to help me actually build it. (We are both computer techs, I've passed my A+ certification essentials test, going into the second half this fall)

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:02 am

Sweet :D Your going to experience a huge jump in performance over your old laptop. A well built custom 800$ desktop can deliver a through trashing to 5000$ alienware laptop and match a 2500$ OEM if you choose the right parts. and sometimes overclock but that depends on the parts you got weather you need to or not.;)

A 1500$ custom will match a 5000$ OEM desktop if you overclock. The markup that the OEM's like Dell and Hp put on their machines is ridiculous for the significantly inferior quality parts and lack of upgradeability.

Also excellent choice on the sandy bridge i5 it delivers almost the same performance as the i7 2600K for much less. :D
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:36 am

Ya, I compared a couple benchmark scores before I went into newegg. An extra %20 performance, for an extra %50 price, I couldn't bring myself to do it lol

I don't think I will overclock the processor, because I just really don't see the need to with this tech. Quad core at an idle 3.2ghz? Turbo'd to 3.7? I can take that :P

Look at Murderbox computers, the cheapest thing they sell is an overclocked i7-950 EE with liquid cooling, duel sli'd video cards, etc. Their prices start at 6k, and go up to 12 :P

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:43 am

right now I'm thinking about upgrading my athlon IIx4 to a pehonom IIx6 but I'm not sure weather or not I should wait for the new bulldozer parts and upgrade to that all at once or get the six core and then a new mobo later and bulldozer after that when the prices go down. :?

Deedasmi wrote:Ya, I compared a couple benchmark scores before I went into newegg. An extra %20 performance, for an extra %50 price, I couldn't bring myself to do it lol

I don't think I will overclock the processor, because I just really don't see the need to with this tech. Quad core at an idle 3.2ghz? Turbo'd to 3.7? I can take that :P

Look at Murderbox computers, the cheapest thing they sell is an overclocked i7-950 EE with liquid cooling, duel sli'd video cards, etc. Their prices start at 6k, and go up to 12 :P


And if you look at the benchmarks the performance isn't that much higher than an 800 or 1500$ rig its crazy.
Yeah no need to overclock with a turbo of 3.7 :)
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:20 am

I would either go with the sandy bridge, or wait for the ivy bridge. AMD hasn't even started to reduce the size of their architecture, which puts them 6 months behind Intel.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:57 am

Yeah I've been thinking about building a new system with an i5 2500k but I want to try to upgrade my current system if possible before I swap out my mobo. I guess I need to do a price/performance comparison. to see which one will give me the most bang for the buck. Which one would give me a better price/performance ratio?

I also have to factor in the cost of a new PSU. 450W is cutting it dangerously close on my current setup.
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Re: Building a computer

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:30 am

Hmm the i5 is only 30$ more than phenom but I would need a new board and ram. Because its 95W I might not need a new PSU. Because I'm still using a 32 bit OS anything more than 4GB of ram would be wasted. I've got 450$ to work with. This might be possible after all..........
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Re: Building a computer

Postby 2cool4me4 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:09 pm

Errr, Am I blind or something? Where's the OS? Are you planning on running 7, because 8's coming out soon (ish).
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Mike » Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:11 pm

It's coming out in a year or so from now. And I'm sure he'll either use his current license or get it thereafter or steal it ;).

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Re: Building a computer

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Wow, Mike. Promoting Illegal activity, are we now? :lol:
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:55 pm

I literally have 2 windows 7 64 bits sitting at my house not getting used :P (When it first came out, they did a deal where college people got it for $35. We bought several)

Same thing with dvd drives.


Alright, I upgraded the motherboard, got a different case, got a third party heatsink, and upgraded the power supply to 1080 watts, and my "to the door" cost is down to 785 :D and I still have 1 $30 rebate, so $750 to build this machine.


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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:51 am

Yeah good Idea with the third party cooler you can never be too careful when it comes to cooling an intel part. And the new PSU will leave room for SLI down the road ;)

I'm definitely going to upgrade to sandy bridge if my Budget allows for it.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:27 am

fuck. Apparently Newegg's combo deals ended last night, and I decided not to buy last night. Got to re-build this damn thing now.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:02 am

I hate when that happens. Those combo deals can be real money savers.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:59 am

I rebuilt it with a similiar mobo, and a lower watt power supply for $20 more expensive. Oh well.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby 2cool4me4 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:20 pm

Yo, please edit the profanity. I know it's a mature forum, but really.
(Jeez, I'm backseat modding)

Anyway, overclocking is a bad idea. It's a good thing that you don't want to.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:01 pm

2cool4me4 wrote:Yo, please edit the profanity. I know it's a mature forum, but really.
(Jeez, I'm backseat modding)

Anyway, overclocking is a bad idea. It's a good thing that you don't want to.
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Nice fan!

Overclocking is safe if you have proper cooling and don't try and push you cpu to a ridiculous clock speed or voltage all at once. If done properly overclocking can yield huge performance boosts. Ususaly when someone fries a part when they overclock it, its because they either had poor cooling or raised the voltage to some ridiculous level like 30V. As long as you increase by small increments, then test for errors and heat issues the worst case senerio would be blue screen of death which could be solved by dialing back you clock speed and voltage until windows is stable again.

That said I wouldn't recommend it unless you need the extra performance because overcloking will void your cpu's warranty and might void your graphics card's warranty but that depends on who manufactured the card.

So anyways, how's the build going?
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:09 pm

The proccessor is strong enough I won't need to overclock. If I would have gone with a weaker proccessor, I would have overclocked, but I don't need to.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby Mr.Numbers » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:33 pm

I was wondering if these are decent specs for a computer:
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Later, I can open up the case and see exactly what everything is.

If I remember correctly... the ram has heat sinks on them, also has a really nice power supply, all the power supply cables are wrapped inside insulated material stuffs... If I remember correctly its a pretty good one.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:41 pm

A decent proccessor, little old, but fast. 4 gigs of RAM, plenty for most tasks, ok for gaming.

Older video card seems ok.

You can probably play a lot of the games that are out now, and it's a decent build for the avrage/ above avrage user. Some of the newer games coming out you would have a lot of trouble with though.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby Mr.Numbers » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Meh, thats good enough for me! :P

And, I could actually use more ram... and maybe an upgrade to quad core... hell... ill just get a new computer when this one dies :P

Im thinking of learning how to overclock... im not planing to go to ridiculous speeds, but a little boost would be nice 8D


I gots no warranty on the computer anyways 8D It was all in-store warranty at where I used to work, which they closed down :[
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:09 pm

Ya, why not? lol. Best idea is to try and find a friend that has done it before. I have a buddy who enjoys overclocking, just for the thrill of overclocking. He doesn't care if he gets use out of it.

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Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:30 am

Mr.Numbers wrote:Meh, thats good enough for me! :P

And, I could actually use more ram... and maybe an upgrade to quad core... hell... ill just get a new computer when this one dies :P

Im thinking of learning how to overclock... im not planing to go to ridiculous speeds, but a little boost would be nice 8D


I gots no warranty on the computer anyways 8D It was all in-store warranty at where I used to work, which they closed down :[


I know how to overclock. My ram, cpu, and graphics card are all overclocked.

Did you build your computer or was it made by a prebuilt company like dell or hp because OEM have all overclocking options locked out of the bios There's still another way to overclock a prebuilt but its always safer to do it in the bios.

Also I would strongly suggest upgrading your cpu and graphics card. While they can still run games they are both considered to be on the edge of minimum requirements So you probably won't be able run most games past low or medium settings. But they are still fast for tasks that the average computer user would do.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Mr.Numbers » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:56 am

Really? I never lag while playing 3D games... Well, there F2P so there nothing super fancy... But all games I play currently run 100% smoothly on max settings.

And it was made in a small computer store, hell, ive had to replace parts in it before :P The parts were all ordered online, so I really doubt there is a lock on anything.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Tabula Rasa » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:43 am

I never overclock my computer, still run all settings on Max for 90% of my games.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:46 am

Not if you know what your doing. My buddy has a 6 year old P4 proccessor overclocked to 4 ghz that still runs, because he knows how to take care of it.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:08 pm

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Yeah if your computer is standard an not OEM then you can overclock it through the bios.
There's two ways to do it:
1. raising the Front Side Bus will raise the clock speed of your cpu but it will also raise the clock speed of your ram and graphics card. Bump it up in small increments, no more than 50 Mhz at a time. Then test it through benchmark software or prime 95 and if the temperature is safe and you don't get an error during testing then its stable and you can bump it up again. Keep doing this until you either reach your desired clock speed or reach a temperature or voltage limitation. As long you keep raising the clock speed in small increments you won't harm your cpu. If you get a Blue screen of death reduce the clock speed until windows is stable again. If your computer doesn't turn on take a screwdriver and touch the CMOS jumpers with it to reset your bios.

2. unlocked multiplier: If your cpu has an unlocked multiplier simply raise it up one level at a time and then test for temperature and stability.

Eventually you will hit a wall where you won't be able to raise the clock speed without raising the voltage of your cpu. If you decide to raise the voltage only do so in extremely small increments and research how much voltage your cpu can safely tolerate.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:15 am

Just finished building the computer, GPU is running a bit hot with a second monitor installed. I'll get some more pics uploaded to my 001 site later, so they will be public access.

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Postby sonic swordmaster » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:25 am

Make sure to tie and tuck your cables so that they don't get in the way of your fans and disrupt air flow. ;)
Nvidia cards tend to run on the hot side anyways if its a bit on the hot side its fine, but if you can feel lots of warmth coming out of your exhaust fans then you should check your temps. I had the cpu in my first build way back when die from overheating so I"m always cautious about temps.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:30 am

It was idling at 67 degrees celsius 5 minutes after boot. That's a little hotter then it's supposed to get while idling :P

Only thing I have to send back is the HDD odly, it refused to format. We are just using some older sata 1 drives, and I'm going to look at buying an SSD or a faster HDD.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Sat Jul 09, 2011 2:44 am

Nvidia cards have been known to reach up to 93C at full load. They can handle high temps, even still 67C is really high for idle temps. I would check to see if the heat-sink is on properly.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:03 am

At a stress test with two monitors in, it only reached 85 degrees, so all is good in the world of computers.

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Deedasmi wrote:At a stress test with two monitors in, it only reached 85 degrees, so all is good in the world of computers.


Try playing some Crysis now :P
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Postby sonic swordmaster » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:40 pm

+1 to Crysis. :D
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Ajax » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:53 pm

Newegg has had some ridiculous deals lately.

16gb of DDR3 for 100$?, That's insane. I paid 100$ for my 8gb of ddr2.

I recently put together my new computer.

it has a M3A78 ASUS Motherboard
8GB of DDR2 800 Ram
HD 4850 Radeon Graphics Card(Old I know, but still works fine..)
AMD 2.6GHZ Quad Core.
Cooling Master 500W eXtreme series.

It's pretty fast, but nothing fancy. My System rating in W7 as of now is a 6.2.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:08 pm

out of curiosity is it a phenom I or an athlon II? or maybe a energy efficient phenom II?
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Ajax » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:41 pm

sonic swordmaster wrote:out of curiosity is it a phenom I or an athlon II? or maybe a energy efficient phenom II?

Phenom I, never heard of an Athlon II from AMD.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:01 am

If It's a quad core, it's a phenom x4. Athlon 2 was AMD's duel core proccessors I believe. Their older, and less powerfull.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:14 am

I think your thinking of the athlon X2 which was the dual core version of the phenom I. I don't know if it was slower than the phenom in single threaded performance or not however. The Athlon II is just a phenom II without L3 cache which results in a 5-7% reduction in performance. the slowest Athlon IIx4 is the 620 at 2.6 i have the 630 at 2.8 and of course i oced it to 3.6 but its old now and its time for me to replace it with something faster. also there is apparently a phenom II the 820 i believe that's just an Athlon II with the phenom II name on it. not a bad chip considering it beats out a core2Quad at 3Ghz when oced a bit and only costs 100$
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Re: Building a computer

Postby ITB » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:59 am

Alright, I'm building a PC for Christmas. I have about $700 USD to spend and I would like to get the best possible PC for gaming with that money. I found this build on the internet and it looks like a good start but I don't know a lot about building computers. Hoping you guys can help me out :D

Motherboard
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO USB3 Motherboard

CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Quad Core Processor

RAM
Corsair XMS 8GB DDR3 RAM

Video Card
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti

Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 1TB

DVD Burner
ASUS DRW-24B1ST DVD Burner

Case
Thermaltake V3 Black Edition Mid Tower Case

Power Supply
Cooler Master GX Series 650W


Total Cost $660

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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:08 pm

First off: Do you need an OS? Do you really need the hard drive and DVD drive?

I could build a much better computer if you didn't need any of those above (as in, you pull them out of your current machine), and you could upgrade your hard drive at a later date. Or, the opposite, you could get those now and get a weaker video card, and update the video card at a later date.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby ITB » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:50 pm

Yeah I think I can pull them out from my current computer. What would you suggest to make it better?

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Re: Building a computer

Postby Deedasmi » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:08 pm

Heres a build thats a lot better then what you posted
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With this CPU/mobo (can't add combo deals to wishlist)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660241

If you need a HDD or anything, drop the 2500k down to the 2400

That computer there is just as strong as mine (little better on graphics, little worse on RAM), and It's $100 less then what I built mine for in the beginning of july.

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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:02 pm

if you have to call microsoft and talk to a person to validate the os install make sure you say your motherboard died. don't tell them you built a new system because if you trying to transfer a product key from a prebuilt that technically not allowed unless the motherboard died. its not like they will know the difference but that's what you have to say and they will validate that every time. also make sure you have an os disk to do the re install with.
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Re: Building a computer

Postby ITB » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:47 pm

Thanks Deeds and sonic :D

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Re: Building a computer

Postby Mr.Numbers » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:10 am

@Sonic

Uhh, I dunno if thats 100% true lol. IF doing it through internet doesnt work, when you do it through the phone, I NEVER have to talk to a person (Except once) Which I simply told him I was reinstalling windows on my system due to a virus :P (When I was actually putting windows 7 on a buddy's computer 8D)
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Re: Building a computer

Postby sonic swordmaster » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:57 pm

oh sorry i wasn't clear lol :-P I always do it over the phone myself. usually it doesn't validate for me over the internet for me. I've gotten a person about 3 times before and every time i just used the old motherboard failure excuse and off i went. :-P
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Re: Building a computer

Postby ITB » Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:59 pm

What was the CPU/mobo? I didn't get the combo deal D:


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